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"Religious singing by the people is to be intelligently fostered so that in devotions and sacred exercises, as also during liturgical services, the voices of the faithful may ring out according to the norms and requirements of the rubrics." Vatican Council II, Sacrosanctum Concilium ¶118, Dec 4, 1963

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    The offertory is the place for communion hymns, moving from the Word to the Eucharist. That's probably why historically there are so few, if any, Catholic offertory hymns.

    STTL indicates that the hymn of the people at communion should happen after all have received to bring the people together as a community, having received, not as music for them to sing while waiting in line.

    That makes it appropriate for a schola to sing the communion verse while the priest receives, as directed, then do some verses, finishing so that the schola has time then to receive. [having communion brought to the choir by the first one of those serving the people is finished solves the "waiting for Jesus" problem that has been described]

    • CommentAuthorDonnaswan
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2009
     

    Try telling that to most any priest- I don't have access to one just now, but surely the GIRM gives other instructions?
    Donna

    • CommentAuthorG
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2009
     

    In the GIRM, the choir singing the communion proper is the first, (and presumably preferred,) option.

    But yeah, try telling that to a priest who came of age singing "Here We Are..."
    (Am I remembering the name of the song correctly?
    Fr K and Fr P bouncing happily and swaying side to side while they sang a song that sounded fit for Teletubbies one night in the lobby of Regis one night after Vespers at Colloquium 2009 is a memory that will live forever.)

    Save the Liturgy, Save the World

    • CommentAuthorDonnaswan
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2009
     

    I will never understand in a million years why the congregation(and doesn't that term date me?) should be bullied and preached into singing some saccharine response as they approach the altar. I've had it explained to me, but I still don't get it. Surely the Communion proper is better?
    But I do what I'm told. In my Episcopal church, the # of communion hymns is printed in bulletin, but to my knowledge no one but the choir sings them after they themselves have received. Needless to say, none of them have 'refrains'

    Donna

    • CommentAuthorCharlesW
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2009
     

    "But yeah, try telling that to a priest who came of age singing "Here We Are..."

    Here I am Lord,
    She's over there Lord...

    • CommentAuthorchonak
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2009
     

    "Here We Are" is a real folk-mass song, by the way. You can hear it in one of the podcasts on kencanedo.com; I think it's by Paul Quinlan.

    • CommentAuthordonr
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2010
     

    Please help me with this. I am responsible for choosing the songs/hymns that we sing at Sat. eve Mass once a month.
    I am stuck using Breaking Bread - OCP 2010.
    I have always chosen songs that are in the OCP guide but since reading many posts on this site and catholic.com I have found that I have no idea what I am doing.

    I would like to get it right. I have read the GIRM, Sing to the Lord, and various other links on the forums but I'm not really sure as to when to use a Communion antiphon, song or hymn, or all of the aforementioned. I would like to do a communion chant for my one Lenten Mass and I would like to use it correctly. I will be using an English version of the chant found on musicforthelitugy.org. because Latin is not encouraged in my parish at this time.

    Any help someone can give as far as proper placement would be helpful.

    The communion lines are generally very long so I need to do very long or several songs. Does the communion antiphon go prior or after the songs. While the priest is taking communion or after all the congregation is sitting in prayer after communion.

  2.  

    "Here we are....as we sing our song so joyfully"
    I don't think it was Quinlan, more like Repp or Wise. But I'm old, infirm and ecstatic as the Saints went marching in.
    What Noel outlines works for us in CenCA, either with Bruce's AG or Richard's SCG. Schola sings immediately upon celebrant's reception and through the ministerial reception at the altar, then a very smooth transition to a congregational piece.
    We have once done the same transition for Offertory. I was full of hubris that day, among other things.

    • CommentAuthorchonak
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     

    That's it: Ray Repp; it's listed on Ken Canedo's podcast page.

    • CommentAuthorKathy
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     

    Donr,

    The first thing to sing is the Communion chant. In the best case scenario it lasts from the priest's Communion (I usually begin when he is preparing to drink from the chalice). I don't see any reason why this shouldn't be a Psalm, sung exactly like a responsorial Psalm. There are a million ways to do this. To just get the ball rolling, I would choose maybe 4 Psalms from your usual Responsorial Psalm repertoire and sing them in rotation, including Psalm 34--definitely, because of its Eucharistic references, and maybe 116 for the same reason--and Psalm 23, because everyone will respond to that. For Lent, Psalm 130 would be good. Psalms 27 and 121 would be good anytime.

    The Psalm could be lengthened by adding verses.

    We don't have a very long Communion. After the Psalm I usually add a congregational "hymn of praise" and then a choir piece, or at cantored Masses, when I can, the seasonal Marian antiphon.

    • CommentAuthorMCMLIV
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     

    "Here We Are".....then Bishop John Wright of Pittsburgh referred to it as the "...hymn to the obvious". Memories....anyone remember the Medical Mission Sisters....actually, we have come a long way!

    • CommentAuthorLiam
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     

    Don't forget Psalm 78

    • CommentAuthorKathy
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     

    Psalm 78: "Men ate the bread of angels"--nice one.

    Donr, the Psalm I mentioned could, optimally, be the proper Communion antiphon with its Psalm. It depends on the local situation. Some congregations might find that really startling. That's why I would suggest Responsorial Psalms, in versions they've already heard, to begin with, unless you're confident that something new would be well-received.

    Best wishes, btw.

  3.  

    Regarding Offertory hymns: in my current parish the offertory is often so quick that 2 verses of any given hymn would be almost too much. It is my goal to move from a hymn to either a psalm with antiphon for the whole congregation, or better still, the Proper for the day, chanted by a schola. That's several years off, I think.

    Regarding singing during communion: I agree with those who suggest singing a psalm with a "refrain" (antiphon, response). This of course is in lieu of singing the Proper chant, which while is ideal and certainly the first choice, in many parishes trying to make the transition from "spirit of the Council" 1980's-style practice to one more in conformity with the Mind of the Church, singing a psalm is a good option.

    And, as luck would have it, the Graduale simplex actually offers options for hymns and songs to be sung during communion. They are: Psalm 34 (with it's proper antiphon, "Taste and see how good the Lord is," or a threefold alleluia), Psalm 23 with the proper antiphon, "I am the living bread"; the Magnificat with antiphon, "My soul glorifies his holy name"; or the hymn, Ubi caritas. That gives you four common texts that can be used once a month in rotation. So much for worrying about the communion procession!

    If you're in one of those parishes that insists on multiple "songs" for the procession, why not do one that they've been using (just swallow hard and offer it up), and follow it with one of these four, one each in rotation over the course of 4 weeks? You could even put something in the bulletin explaining what you're doing and why. A perfect teachable moment to help bring the people into a better understanding of what the Church requires for the proper celebration of the Mass.

    • CommentAuthorErik P
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     

    Don R,

    If you get Rice's Communio published by the CMAA, it contains all of the verses for every Communion antiphon so you can repeat the antiphon as needed until everyone has received communion.

    • CommentAuthorErik P
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010 edited
     

    It is also available for free download. And if you're congregation/pastor is not ready for that much Latin it is also available with English verses too.

  4.  

    Don R
    I'm so glad for your question. I have a choir of very little children and I too am stuck with Breaking Bread. So far we have been able to stick with the traditional hymns in BB, which the kids love, but there is a great deal of pressure from parents to "branch out" and use the more contemporary songs in the book. I actually don't mind the settings for the responsorial psalms in Respond and Acclaim, so I will take the the advice given above and being using psalms during communion (although the kids sure do love "O Sacrament Most Holy" , "Adoro Te Devote/Humbly Lord" .)

  5.  

    Don't forget to consider the seven ad libitum Communion Antiphon/psalm pairings recommended in the Graduale Romanum. (The Graduale specifies psalm verses explicitly; I will update the link accordingly in the near future.)

  6.  

    11schw...go with By Flowing Waters....abandon the poorly composed R&A stuff, improve your child singers by giving them better music that is easier to sing.

    I don't know if this is possible, but I would not hesitate to ask Paul Ford for temporary permission to duplicate pages for a burgeoning choir program if copies of BFW cannot be afforded at this time.

    Only one warning, some partially trained adult singers...or barely-trained...may try to SING BYF instead of chanting it. Nip it in the bud.

    • CommentAuthorKathy
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2010
     

    Thanks, Aristotle!!

  7.  

    Frogman (and others):

    Dr. Ford doesn't control copyright permissions on BFW, it is held by Liturgical Press out of Collegeville.

    I used the communion antiphons/psalms with the mixed choir for a short period as a test run to see if the church I was serving at the time should invest in copies adequate for the choir and ultimately for the parish. I asked the people at Lit Press if I could make copies for the choir for a fixed period of time, and they graciously agreed, free of charge.

    The policy may have changed, but it never hurts to ask!

  8.  

    Thanks, David!

    • CommentAuthordonr
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2010
     

    These are all great suggestions. I will read more and use a lot of these suggestions.
    I have asked permission from our Director of Music to do a simple traditional Kyrie and Agnus Dei for lent but he has not gotten back to me yet. I would assume knowing the history, I will be denied. I guess it doesn't hurt to ask.

  9.  

    donr:

    The communion lines are well-served, according to STTL, by music and silence. It's helpful to abandon the concept that the entire time people are receiving there must be music. It's nice to sing the Communion Verse while the priest receives, then let the choir go and receive, then come back to sing. And then stop. When the priest returns to the chair, that's the time for a congregational hymn.

    Then have the choir sing the Marian song for the season while the people leave. The people will be refreshed having not been expected to sing one or more songs at communion and another while they are leaving. Better to sing one meaningful song than three that really cannot all be approriate.

    The organist may need to be restrained from filling the gaps with mindless noodling.

    To start, have the choir sing the Agnus Dei while the priest receives. That's a place you have control over. It's appropriate.