Terms to be forever forgotten
  • @expeditus1
    Jeffrey, have never been to one of those. Do they have anything to do with jesters, jugglers, and jousters under the Big Tent?


    They take place in either the hall or a big lobby ... or both.
  • And how did we miss "spirit of Vatican II"? I thought it was a sin to consort with spirits.
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  • ryandryand
    Posts: 1,640
    Vibrant
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  • Kevin
    Posts: 3
    Liturgy Team
    Gather (us in, ing area, hymnal)
    We (are a pilgrim people, are the church of God, are called, walk by faith, remember, have been told, are many parts, are the light of the world)
    Ministry
    Minister
    Please Rise (stand up)
    Please (period)
    Bilingual
  • BenBen
    Posts: 3,114
    Wow, this has become quite a popular thread, probably because it's a "vent thread" :P
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  • lmassery
    Posts: 406
    "legitimate dissent" as long as you have a "well-formed conscience"
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  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
    Posts: 5,152
    podium/rostrum
  • chonakchonak
    Posts: 9,161
    I'd like lectors to stop introducing a spoken responsorial psalm with the words "responsorial psalm". Thank you.
  • NPM
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  • Spiritual Center
    Liturgical DANCE (causes me to gag every time)
    "Active" Participation

    (because we all just love having conversations with someone who constantly talks AT us, or is clapping their hands in our face. without taking a moment to LISTEN. Yes people, liturgy is a dialogue - and active participation CAN be achieved by listening...sigh)

    Common Good
    Baptismal Pool
    Microphone
  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
    Posts: 5,152
    children's Christmas Pageant (at Mass)
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  • Stewardship Campaign
    Diocesan Appeal
    "We are an Easter people."
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  • Banner Art (Praise Banners/Worship Banners)
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  • francis
    Posts: 10,668
    Respond and Acclaim
  • francis
    Posts: 10,668
    We are CHURCH

    If you're the Church, then I Be Not Not Afraid.
  • and if You Be Not Not Afraid, then I, myself, am the bread of life.

    You and I are the bread of life.
    Taken and blessed, broken and shared by Christ

    *2 minutes later*

    that the world might live.
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  • BenBen
    Posts: 3,114
    "The first reading is a reading from the book ..."
    "The second reading is is a reading from the letter..."

    These always grates on my nerves. Also, calling the ambo the "pulpit."
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  • Ben,

    They work for the department of Redundancy department

    :)
    Peter
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  • henry
    Posts: 241
    Sacrament of Reconciliation (instead of Sacrament of Penance)
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  • irishtenoririshtenor
    Posts: 1,297
    I think I would call it "Sacrament of Confession"
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  • I agree. Faith Community has to go. What's wrong with the word "parish"? "Sending forth" is another phrase that needs to be "sent forth." "MInistry of the Assembly" is another one that needs to go.

    "Vibrant" is another word that should also go, as well as the phrase "multi-cultural liturgies" and any other buzzword in the OCP arsenal.
  • Pastoral reasons, and vague rubrics.
  • The word "pastoral" needs to beat a hasty retreat. Another phrase that should be excised from our liturgical lexicon is "Call to Worship".
  • francis
    Posts: 10,668
    Question? Where do these terms originate? What mind, what thinking, what circumstance?
  • expeditus1
    Posts: 483
    Francis, I think it has something to do with all of us having received "The Great Commission" and being "sealed in the spirit" and "blown by the wind."
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  • dynamic
    welcoming
    diversity
  • expeditus1
    Posts: 483
    Folk Mass

    Remember that 'colorful era in American Catholicism?' All snarkiness aside, this popular discussion started by Ben Yanke has given me a ping in the heart. The past 40+ years was some bad psychadelic trip. I remember vividly the bewilderment I felt as a child, when the "New Springtime" swept through my own parish. Some of us schoolchildren were paraded up in the Sanctuary (the beautiful murals I used to stare at were now painted over with boomerang thing-a-ma'-jiggies) with our guitars, where we led the congregation in songs with lyrics which perplexed me. We were "trending" though. I can now safely say, all personal bias aside, that our music stunk up the place. Can someone, please, provide me with closure, all these years later, and tell me the name of that song I led back then, which had as its lyrics, "....a few spoons of beans for the day.....rats crawl from holes in the walls..."? Another troubling song for me was, "But Then Comes the Morning" (lyrics follow). I felt stupid because I couldn't understand what the significance of the robots was.

    Look at him stripped on the hill
    running the streets poorly clad
    robots have taken his job
    his hands are outstretched for the nails (refrain)

    refrain:
    Forgive Lord, forgive. It was night when we did what we did....
    But then comes the morning yesterdays sorrows behind
    wake it's the day of your longing. life returns, mercy comes, it's morning.

    Look at him nailed to the cross.
    Nailed by our lack of concern
    Locked and forgotten in jail
    Confined to a home for the aged. (refrain)

    Look at him die on the cross
    witness man's cruelty to man
    cut down like weeds in our wars
    stabbed on the streets where we live. (refrain)


    I am reminded of the following Position Statement:

    On behalf of the Society for Ethnomusicology the SEM Board of
    Directors approves the Position Statement against the Use of Music as
    Torture, which originated in the SEM Ethics Committee and has the
    unanimous support of the Board of Directors.

    The Society for Ethnomusicology condemns the use of torture in any
    form. An international scholarly society founded in 1955, the Society
    for Ethnomusicology (SEM) and its members are devoted to the research,
    study, and performance of music in all historical periods and cultural
    contexts. The SEM is committed to the ethical uses of music to further
    human understanding and to uphold the highest standards of human
    rights. The Society is equally committed to drawing critical attention
    to the abuse of such standards through the unethical uses of music to
    harm individuals and the societies in which they live.

    The Society for Ethnomusicology

    * calls for full disclosure of programs that design the means of
    delivering music as torture;
    * condemns the use of music as an instrument of torture; and
    * demands that agencies cease using music as an instrument of
    physical and psychological torture.

    Suggested link

    For further information on the American history and praxis of using
    music as an instrument of torture, the Society for Ethnomusicology
    recommends the following article:

    Suzanne Cusick,
    "Music as Torture, Music as Weapon," Revista Transcultural de
    Música/Transcultural Music Review 10 (2006).

  • CharlesW
    Posts: 11,937
    Remember "Michael" who never seemed to finish rowing his boat ashore? I always hoped it would sink.
  • francis
    Posts: 10,668
    are we still climbing jacobs ladder?
    is the answer still blowin in the friggin wind?
    is it still a brand new day ?... and is everthing still fine?

    ok... i am literally preaching to the choir.

    http://www.tommcfaul.com/escritaria/litmusic.html
  • chonakchonak
    Posts: 9,161
    This reminds me of Ken Canedo's informative podcasts about the folk Mass era. Chapter Five of the series includes "But Then Comes The Morning".

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  • expeditus1
    Posts: 483
    Oh, goodness, chonak! That was a nostalgic walk down the Hall of Shame. I feel like I need absolution from my display of poor guitar-fretting skills while in the Sanctuary. I should, also, probably confess that some of those hanging banners made out of felt, stencils, glitter, sequins, yarn, string, buttons, and glue were crafted by us schoolchildren, as assigned by "higher-ups."
  • benedictgal
    Posts: 798
    expedius, I need to have my own demons exorcized. We had to strum along on our guitars when I was in Catholic school. Yesterday, the "folk" choir sang "For Your are My God" as the entrance song. It was traumatizing.
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  • expeditus1
    Posts: 483
    Kind of otherworldly isn't it, benedictgal, to have been a "player" in the two turnarounds - the near demise of sacred music back then, and the restoration movement, now. Heave in the harness!
  • Jeffrey TuckerJeffrey Tucker
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    Ok, I just listened to this song. I don't know what I expected. It is unspeakably bad. What a time. It is just so embarrassing. Nothing around today sinks to this level. As shocking as it may sound, we might have been on an upward path since 1967 or so.
  • scholistascholista
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    Responsorial Psalm
  • Commentator reads these openning words:"Good evening or good morning. I am your name."
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  • JMO: on February 5 referred to WLP as labelling the Missal's antiphons as "songs." Back th ithe 1980's WLP pointed these texts to be sung to a few monastic tones. Other texts were pointed too: all of the ordinaries and the psalms, alleluia, and all the propers. The time is right for OCP or WLP to retrun to this practice. But only with monasitc, Chabanal or Mienrad tones!
  • rgarcia
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    Service???
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  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    (during Mass): bingo, parish festival, pierogis, corned beef and cabbage, bake sale, raffle, ...
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  • benedictgal
    Posts: 798
    Worship space is another one.

  • "and for me that's just where it is....

    Persons come into the fiber of our lives,
    and then their shadow fades and disappears."
    all I ask of you
  • Would you please pass the reefer, Ralph.

    Oddest liturgical song ever?
  • expeditus1
    Posts: 483
    Ralph, I assume you are referring to the song, "All I Ask of You," written by Gregory Norbert, O.S.B. (Weston Priory). I saw a YouTube video of it, and understand Randolph's reefer reference. The lyrics below expound so brilliantly, the key tenets of our Faith:

    Deep the joy of being together in one heart
    and for me that’s just where it is.

    All I ask of you is forever to remember me as loving you.
    All I ask of you is forever to remember me as loving you.

    As we make our way through all the joys and pain,
    can we sense our younger, truer selves?

    Someone will be calling you to be there for a while.
    Can you hear the cry from deep within?

    Laughter, joy and presence: the only gifts you are.
    Have you time? I’d like to be with you.

    Persons come into the fiber of our lives,
    and then their shadow fades and disappears.

    All I ask of you is forever to remember me as loving you.
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  • expeditus1
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    Correction: Gregory Norbet (typo in previous post) was formerly affiliated with Weston Priory.
  • RachelR
    Posts: 41
    I was wondering if there were a plagiarism issue with the song "Remember Your Love" by Darryl Ducote/Gary Daigle. (It's in the OCP Today's Missal Music Issue.) We've been singing that at my church every Lent, and I don't think something that sounds like "Pure Imagination" from "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" is a good Lenten song. I couldn't find anything about this online...does anyone here know?
  • IanWIanW
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    Noooo, Rachel; it's all beyond the limits of decency.
  • Jeffrey Quick
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    Oh my, expeditus, a sacred song without any religion in it whatsoever. Better we should sing "We all come from the Goddess..."; at least there's a deity there.
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  • expeditus1
    Posts: 483
    Jeffrey, after reading chonak's post above, and listening to those folk Mass podcasts, I couldn't resist my impulse to find out what the career trajectory had been for these influencers of that era, who had graced the Church with their musical tours de force . Had these folks continued to expand their sphere of influence? Uhh....yup....some of them as professors of liturgy, worship, feminist women's studies, and quantum spirituality. A look at some of their upcoming speaking engagements indicates that they are still amongst us, even as featured speakers at Catholic events involving music and liturgy, both in this country and abroad. Two upcoming talks which caught my eye were: "Discerning the Spirit in a Quantum Universe," and "eucharist with a small e."
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  • (during Mass): bingo, parish festival, pierogis, corned beef and cabbage, bake sale, raffle, ... -CHGiffen

    "Pierogis" should be banned outside of Mass, too. "Pierog" is singular and "pierogi" is already plural. If no one ever orders a plate of spaghettis or raviolis, why can't Polish get the same respect?
  • marajoymarajoy
    Posts: 781
    so what is a (singular) pierogi known as?